SPEAKER_00 0:00

Yak, how you doing? Good, good, and new? I'm I'm good. Um when we when we publish this episode, it's probably gonna be twenty twenty six. We're recording in twenty twenty-five at the end of twenty twenty five. November ninth, twelve twenty-four pm. Yes. And I've been saying this to you for a while now, but I think we need to do uh a reflections episode, a gratitude episode, just looking back because it's been it's our first full calendar year. Right, 2025. Because the first episode I think was the end of no um 2024. Um and what made me think that we really must do this is that coincidentally, last night a colleague of mine shared one of their articles that they wrote about gratitude, giving and receiving gratitude in one of these uh in the psychiat in a psychiatric um publication. A good colleague and friend. Um so yeah, yeah, uh what are your thoughts on the show? Like, how's it been going?

SPEAKER_01 1:06

So you think it has clinical relevance to give gratitude? Do you think that we we get something back if we appreciate what we have?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Well, it makes me feel good. I feel better giving uh giving thanks and receiving thanks.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:21

Uh I also just want to look at the show, man. You know how it's going? What made you come on finally?

SPEAKER_01 1:27

You know, I always make this joke and say, yeah, yeah, I hope he was joking. What's the joke? Yeah, the joke that you had to force me to come on to the show. I did. Um I'll I think I'll start off there. Maybe it was uh subliminally in my mind uh to talk about that one day. But um no, you didn't have to force me to come onto the show. I have to force myself to stay off the show because at that stage when you started this whole thing, I was going through some some hectic mental health issues. Um I think it's it's a constant thing. Mental health is not something that you you you know you achieve. At the end, it's not like the boss stage in in Super Mario, it's a constant thing that you work at. But at that stage, it mine was a bit lower than um what it was. So to me, for me, to commit to something that was very, I would I would say social heavy uh was gonna be a challenge. So that's when I, you know, I told you like I'd I'd rather just you know pause it for a little bit. Okay. But then obviously you work on yourself, things get better, and then you commit to yourself. I mean, I knew from the beginning that you're gonna make this uh success, and um I knew that I I wanted to be a part of it, but I didn't want to unnecessarily expose myself like to you at my detriment um for being on the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

We didn't discuss this. Like are you this is the first time you're telling me this, honestly. Like I I I assumed it was because of you just done the Everest thing, you lost the f the four fingers issue. I mean, was it related to that sort of thing? Or yeah, somewhat to some degree.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

No, I mean look, we've that the show is not about me this episode, so um I'm still not gonna like talk about it right now. Um I'm sure at some stage I will. But as I was saying, it's like all-encompassing. Mental health is not like one specific issue. It's everything. It's how you treat the guy that's bringing you the coffee, it's how how much energy you have to gym, it's how you commit to things that are you know seen as a uh an opportunity, because this is an opportunity for us. It's it's great from where it's come from. But yeah, I will you know, eventually, you know, talk about you know my journey from a mental perspective.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Okay, so it wasn't big it wasn't because uh you wanted to suss things out first and so on.

SPEAKER_01 3:40

No, no, of course not. As I said, I knew you'd make this a success because you're also very pedantic about what you do, you don't just commit to things apart from technology and unnecessary buying that. Okay, I just spoke about just now. But um, you know, speaking of the show being a success, I really think it has been a success. Okay. Not why? Not from the facts, yeah. Not because I was gonna ask you, can you share some stats, some stats with us um, you know, before we carry on? But just the interactions that I've had from friends, from colleagues, from family, I mean, those are the people that we we're not targeting. We're targeting a larger audience, but those are the people you get honest and reliable feedback from. They're not trolls on the street. You think so, Matt? You think so? Really. I I don't think the honest part. I I don't think so. Maybe sometimes it's not honest, it's a bias opinion, because people just like to see us talking nonsense.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

But um And I don't mean it, I don't mean it like that they're giving us dishonest feedback. What I mean is that you know they're not gonna friends and family especially are not going to want to hurt you or say something that might disappoint you, right? Or maybe. No, I think it depends.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

I mean it all depends.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Because even strangers, what's the feedback you've been getting?

SPEAKER_01 4:53

Yeah, the feedback has been great. Like um, there's often people tell me that they resonate with something that we have mentioned in the show. And there's there's a lot of things that you know our guests speak about. Yeah. And we always think that the the struggle that we're going through, we're isolated and we're alienated from the rest of the world. But there's there's people that are going through it. Everyone else is going through the same struggle. And it might not be a struggle. It might not, it you know, like people have success stories. Yeah. But you don't share your success stories.

SPEAKER_00 5:25

Now, you know, you know me, like on our WhatsApp group for this channel, when there's comments and and things like that on Facebook or all the platforms, I put it there and I share it. So do you not share this with me? Like, I don't want to stroke your ego, like, I need the feedback. Like we met, we met a I met a dentist a couple of nights ago. And I didn't tell you the story because it was literally a couple of nights ago, and he said the show resonates with him, uh, especially when we spoke about um my experience of being told to go and shave before I could see a patient in in the clinic. Yeah. Uh same thing happened to this gentleman. And uh, you know, I love getting that feedback and he was like, you know, keep going and keep doing it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:07

Um but your question was whether or not I share this with you. No, I I I remember in the beginning when we first had the show and and then the our our group, our the group that we have for our guests. No, no, no, it's for the management of this podcast. We always share like screenshots and things, and then it quitened down because I think the numbers got too big for us to basically be have that beer.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Okay, mine just because I was just wasn't getting it.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Oh no, I I've been yeah, I've been getting uh lifting. Like seriously. Okay, there you go. Yeah, people are appreciated. Any negative feedback? Yeah. Um yeah, sometimes people think you're a bully. Okay. But I think you you that's a self-realization that you had, because you mentioned it to me once.

SPEAKER_00 6:49

It's about tone, not pulley.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

I'm not pulling, it's the tone. The tone comes across as being a bully. Yeah. Yeah. Um that I think that came across in the Tigeshay episode.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

It's so nonchalant. My sister. Um that's the episode called, it's I think it's called the uh The Shortest Surgeon in South Africa, maybe. That's where I interviewed my sister, my older sister, who's smaller than me.

SPEAKER_01 7:09

But yeah, for my negative feedback, I think in the beginning also, like our episodes could have been it was a bit long. You think so? Um it's difficult for people to watch, I think.

SPEAKER_02 7:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:19

But uh this is this is feedback here. This is not my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 7:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Um I think about it. Let's talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 7:24

I want to talk about the feedback because I get that a lot also. There are a lot of people say to me it's too long. And I was talking to our cousin O'Reill off camera just before we started recording.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

He's behind the camera, by the way, today. The first time. Welcome to our off-camera guest. Yeah, Will.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

We'll get we'll get Mr. O'Reilly already on the show one day to talk to us about becoming a chartered accountant. But I was telling him off-camera, like a lot of feedback I get is the episodes are too long, right? But then I was also telling him about Stephen Bartlett as well, diary of a CEO, Lex Friedman um type of podcast where it's two, three, sometimes four hours long, right? Yeah, I know. I know Elton always referenced these people. Elton's another guest, Elton Love, right? Um I we I mean, I look up to those people, right? Because I watch them. Like I when I exercise and when I'm doing stuff, I'm watching and listening to them. But my but the point I wanted to make is and I was telling Aurel this, most of the guests only start warming up after like the 13-minute mark. Like you need to you the conversation needs to start flowing, and I feel like people only start opening up, except there's there are the exceptions, like the Norman Kai is of the world who is like open and you know from the beginning, because he's just an outgoing extrovert type. But most people they take a few minutes to get warmed up and to defrost, as I call it, and then they start speaking, right? That's the first thing. So you think this is a guest versus viewer issue? Well, look, also uh let's go. Nothing to do with us. No, a lot of people don't have time, right? I I totally get the feedback where they say it's too long because they don't have most people don't have time to sit down in one session and watch an hour or two, let alone even half an hour, right? But how I do it, how I consume podcasts is in chunks.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

In chunks. And while I'm exercising, so I'll do a 30-minute uh cycle and then I'll pick it up tomorrow when I'm doing another 30-minute, whatever. Um so it has it has longevity benefits, and it also allows the guests to warm up and it gives us just the opportunity to have like real conversations. Like that you can't have a proper conversation in 20 minutes, half an hour. That's how I feel. What do you think about lengthwise?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

No, 100%. We had this conversation before, um, where the workaround was that we get our guests lick it up before the show, uh, then have a conversation, start the conversation off camera, and then when it starts flowing, that's when we hit the record button. Um, that was a joke, obviously. But it's difficult. I I genuinely think it is a uh guest vs viewer issue. It's it's kind of got nothing to do with us. But also to that point where you guys reference, it's not just you, it's it's all the people who who pedantically watch stats and they watch other people and they have like mentors and this. But you guys often reference like Stephen Bartlett's and um the Sam Wilders and all of these cinematographers and Simon Sinek and all those guys, yeah. But I mean, those guys have traction already.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

We can't expect us to like put out an episode like three hours long and be like, yeah, please guys watch this.

SPEAKER_00 10:24

They also, apart from traction, they've got teams. Yes. Now, a lot of people don't realize this. It's literally a two, one-man band most of the time. Like, there's today today's an exception because we've got our cousin sitting behind one of the cameras. He just came to have a look and see what how we do this. But most of the time, there's nobody behind the cameras. One of the things that makes me the most paranoid is I I don't want to sit stand up after an hour or two and find that one of the cameras is not recording. Yeah. Um, so those guys have teams, right? Those those big podcasters. They've got teams of technical people, they've got researchers, they've got people to uh, you know, look into the guests and give them notes beforehand so they're prepared. We have none of that. And I'm also doing the editing, the social media, the shorts, Pavo, all those things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Uh no, but thanks, thanks for that. I I think if if you were to hand that over to me, like it's not a good idea. No, I wouldn't, yeah, it's never.

SPEAKER_00 11:18

I wouldn't hand that over to you because I know you've got like so much content that you record in your other capacities.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Yeah, but I'm getting to it. I'm getting to all my my other content. But anyway, my point was I think we the stats and stuff show a certain amount of success for an already existing platform where there is traction. Um, you're asking me like what I think about it. I think we we create our own new sort of formula for this to actually work. But I think it's working. So what do the stats say? Why don't you show us? I mean, the other day you shared uh our viewership. I wanted to ask you about that. We're at 95,000 or something.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Look, in the in the in the past in the past 28 days, we've had 509 hours of watch time. 509 hours. Wow. People have watched in and that's only in a month, right? I mean, I there's been 14,000 plus views just in the last 28 days. But you see, I I can't answer you off the cuff here because I don't really focus on the stats. Honestly. Like I hardly use this this analytics app. We're on four, we're almost on 500 subscribers now. But to me, that was never the goal, like to get like big views. I started this because I liked, I was into podcasting, I like gadgets and I like the internet and all those things. And I think we've started a community of like very um supportive people that watch the show and that like the show resonates with them. And even if it's a small following, it doesn't matter. The other day I was watching, while I was exercising, something came up on my feed where it's a it's a guy playing Microsoft Flight Simulator. You know, it's a it's a Microsoft Flight Simulator. And he's flying from Joburg to Cape Town. He's a he's a British guy flying from Joburg to Cape Town, and that thing has got like 30,000 views. What a niche, random thing. But people, you know, watch it because they're into flight simulation and they're into they want to see what it looks like and how it works. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:13

So And they can't afford to jump on a plane and actually fly.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Well, no, no, no. It's not even that they want to do that. They they want to watch somebody doing a flight simulation. Oh, okay, like the mechanics of it. There's such a niche. And and we I think we've got a niche here where, especially healthcare workers, that's what I want to do. I want to start a community. It's not about broad reach. This is about getting people that really feel it and want to watch it.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

But okay, on that on that note, there's a I mean, we've had a few requests. I've had a few requests of people that want to be on the show. We have interviewed people that are not doctors and not in the community uh that have been on the show. Where do you stand with that? Um Is that gonna is that a strict policy that we might think?

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Look, we've had a we've had an electrical engineer, we've had a chartered accountant, um We've had a professor of finance. Yeah. Well, that's two in one because it's the same same person I'm talking about. We've had a nurse. So where I stand is no, I I w I actually want this to be a careers thing eventually. A careers and lifestyle type of show. Um I want to get a lawyer on at least one. Um so no, I'm open to it. And I think looking forward, the channel might change its name to why did I become? Yeah. Just why did I become? I like that. I actually like that. You have three gods.

SPEAKER_01 14:32

Um it's very holistic.

SPEAKER_00 14:34

Yeah. But I wanted to start with what we know and who we've got our networks with. Yeah. Um speaking of networks, I mean, you've been look, before we even get there, I just want to say thank you. Like, you're the first person I wanted to say thank you to, apart from Youth D my wife, because a lot of my time goes into this. I mean, it's a sun, it's a Sunday afternoon and she's doing stuff, and I'm here talking nonsense with my cousin. But like, thankful to you because again, you let yourself be the first guest on the show, and you let you open up quite a bit on that episode. It was how many hours? Like, one and a half hours.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

It was no two hours, yeah. It was a long one.

SPEAKER_00 15:10

So thank you to you. I mean, I'm grateful to all our guests that come on. Like, from you to there was Caifus next, and then Dr. Q, and then Dr. Q.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Shout out to Dr. Q, who's in Bali at the moment. Oh, actually, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:24

My sister, I'm just going through it. Amit Kosai, who's the engineer, Gunther Streit, who's a dentist in Namibia. We've had Lero Majority, and his episode is called Black, Gay, and Almost a Vet. Um, you know, almost a vet, almost a vet, Renarian. Uh Avi Jagatpal, you know, uh the list goes on, but all of them took time out of their day and decided to just come and be. And it it takes courage, eh? No, of course.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

Speak on camera. Definitely. I mean, it's yeah, I still get nervous like just sitting and chatting here. But it's become I mean, it's becoming more and more organic because we don't really prep for anything. Yeah. Um, but I can imagine for the guests, because the guests are nervous. Everyone asks me, like, what do they what if you make a mistake or what can and the thing is it's all pre-recorded, but we've never had to edit anything.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Yes. Like, I've had to edit one episode out. You weren't involved in that episode, so that's probably why you don't know. But what happens is after the guests start flowing, sometimes you you forget the cameras are there and you forget it's being recorded.

SPEAKER_02 16:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

And I've had to cut out some things where the guest in hindsight said, Look, I don't want that on public. Which is great. That's how we work. We'll never publish something without a guest giving us the green light, because you know, we don't want to get sued also and all those types of things. But the point I was gonna I was making is thankful to all of them for coming on, having the courage and wasting their time with you and me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

You know, and what's the one thing that you've taken from when we immediately, that one minute after we immediately finish an episode? I'll tell you my my perspective. Tell me, because I think it's gonna be exactly the same. It's like it's it's a feeling of elation actually from the guests. They feel like, wow, like this the energy that they, you know, that they they exude.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

I I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

It's from the from the beginning of the conversation, all like nervous and thing. And then at the end, it actually feels like, you know, okay, I'm ready to go to the jaw or something.

SPEAKER_00 17:20

The word I'm uh I that comes to mind for me is like therapeutic. Like they feel like, wow, thank you. That was so cool. Yeah. A lot of the and I leave that in deliberately at the end of some of the shots where you can hear us saying, wow, that really went well. Because that's like a real feeling that they get. Yeah. And Norman said to us, um, I think it was on camera, he said, like, you know, nobody really asks you about your life, nobody wants to talk about it. Yeah. It's actually when you sit back and reflect on your life, you realize how much you've got to be grateful for.

SPEAKER_01 17:47

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

And that's that's that fits in with this gratitude episode. So people are, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

I mean And for people who are not, or people who haven't watched an episode yet, and if you're watching this, if you want motivation to watch the episode beyond what the title is, it's not about medicine, it's not about a doctor, it's not about anyone, spot the individual and how they fit into the grander scheme of their lives. And you know, as a patient or whatever it is. So go watch an episode. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Um and yak, you don't tell you don't use your social media, dude. Like it's unfair. This is one gripe I have with Yak.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

I always tell now we Air Tonight.

SPEAKER_00 18:26

And he like because he's so like specific and and particular about his brand and curated about his brand, like he'll never share an episode of this show on his page where he's got host. We have to do that. And you need to start doing it, yak. Because, oh, that's another thing. I've sp I've spent 300 Rand on advertising altogether. Like I haven't we haven't advertised the show. Yeah. Everything that's come here has been organic except for the 300 Rand that I spent on, and it was just an experiment I did on Instagram to see if I boost a post, whether it would make any difference. Um, but I haven't spent a cent other than that that 300 bucks um on advertising. So we need to get some advertising. I clearly I can't rely on you for free advertising, but I think I mean looking forward to 2026, maybe we must think of, you know, start starting to advertise. Well, let's brainstorm together on on camera here.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Like Yeah, I mean, uh look, we we've got a uh free billboard to use come end of November. Um slot, not the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

That that's that's the there's a billboard at Yaxx Practice, the Bedford View Dental Care where we record. Yeah, so the the digital side is coming. Projects onto the freeway.

SPEAKER_01 19:35

Yeah, yeah, and through north and south. So can we use it for to put um Yeah, well, I'm gonna start putting my own entities on there, not my social media, because that will still remain curated. Yeah. Uh because there's a lot of other things. I'm like, uh to answer your question with that, like that is sort of a brand, it's it's a multidisciplinary brand that I'm actually trying to build there. Yeah. Uh which I am, I mean, I will definitely uh start posting more and more about the show. But there's also a lot of other things like in the pipeline that I gotta also post about. But I'm not great on social media. It might seem like it is, but it's not. I don't have time to like go and respond to things and whatnot. But anyway, brainstorming about getting more traction, I think, yeah, there's there's, for example, you know, there's a lot of companies, dental-related companies, that also see value in what you and I do. They follow us closely, might not, you know, um, you know, say it uh on social media, but like in person, there's a lot of companies that are willing to actually get on board and be interviewed, for example. Okay. A company recently that that I've partnered with and um Yeah, you were you went to South Korea.

SPEAKER_00 20:45

They took you to South Korea, right?

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And um I I mean I see value in them. They they're like a family of people like doing what we do, but in that in that space. And I mentioned to them, like, oh, well, would you guys like you guys should actually because you um the sister was telling me about what how they got into this bill, and it's such an interesting story. Family from Port Elizabeth, almost like you and me from like North KZN, yeah, but they're Port Elizabeth, and now they're they're they're huge in the industry. Cool. But getting them onto the show, yeah, not as a sponsorship or whatever it is, but listening to their story and also getting what do you call them, vendors. Yeah, I don't know, third party providers or whatever it is. Because they're part of the industry. It's good to have those people. And then that network starts following.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yes, it's we we need to start we need to start diversifying. Monetizing, like let's be honest, we need to monet monetize eventually. Like I I never started wanting to monetize, but if it if it's salary, it's Sunday. If if it makes sense, right? If if it's relevant to our audience and vice versa, and everybody gains from it, then why not?

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Well, what's the purpose of it? What? What's the purpose of monetizing?

SPEAKER_00 21:55

Um you know, all this stuff is not free. Oh, that's another thing. I I might have m given a wrong impression. Yeah, that I I only spent 300 bucks on advertising. But that's specifically advertising. So every month I'm paying, I think it's $15 to Ball Sprout, because to be able to be on the Apple Podcast and Spotify platform, you need to pay. It's not free, right? So it's like $15 or something a month. The shorts that I put out, like almost every day, that's made by AI, Opus Clips. That's fifth $12 a month or $15 a month. You know, this camera's uh that we use it Yeah, yeah. It's not cheap.

SPEAKER_01 22:29

I mean, if if you want to know about like our setup here, maybe we should, yeah, if Duane was here, it would have been good. Because he can actually talk about it. But you're using an Osmo, that camera, I mean Osmo. Um that camera is a new one. Um, it's let's talk about that while we're talking about the the tech behind it. So for the first maybe what 15-20 episodes, we were shooting on just Yash's camera. Then eventually I got a camera, it's a Sony A7 III. Uh Sony, I hope you're watching this because it let me down quite a bit. I didn't know that it was a 30-minute recording limit and no internal um CPU cooling.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Well, that's user error, anyway. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

It's your fault. No. It's your research. Yeah, kinda. I don't know. So don't, don't, don't uh gless with Sony. We have a tannies. But then Sony, like this FX study that I've uh So you bought another Sony. I bought another Sony, yeah. So this is the FX study that we're using now. Um it doesn't have a record limit, and it's got internal cooling, and it's just a phenomenal cinematic camera. Yeah um see if Dwayne was here, he'd tell you if this was FX uh Netflix approved or not. I don't know. But we can iPhone. Yeah, then Yash has just got an iPhone 17. Yeah, and doesn't spin by pro.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

So um and also the big thing.

SPEAKER_00 23:48

No, the big thing is here, guys. And there's a light, yeah. There's a light. Hold on, let's not even talk about technical, right? Time. Yeah. Like exactly time is even if it's not physical money or paper money or whatever, it's time away from family and friends and parents and whatever and responsibilities. And and that's again, let's go back to the gratitude thing because I said I'm thankful to the guests for being courageous, but also thank you for spending your valuable time on us.

SPEAKER_01 24:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

You know, we had Ryan on the show, Ryan Noach. That guy's a super busy CEO. And he, when I approached him and I said, Look, we usually take about two or three hours to shoot, he said, Look, time is valuable, uh, precious. It's my, you know, I've got other stuff to do. He'll give us one hour. And we were so grateful for that. Um, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:30

And we went to his house, uh, I mean his uh office as well. We got to see stuff. That was cool for me.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

Yeah. And uh also, like, you were asking me earlier what I learned, or what were the takeaways. One of the things that I learned is that people are actually well, South African people, and even some British, we had a British guy, they're generous with their time, man. Like, I thought it's gonna be the most difficult thing to get people on the show. But people want to come and speak and give us their time. If you just ask. Yeah. Like, that's an amazing takeaway that I've if you have to ask me, one of the main takeaways of this show, it's like, yeah, people are good.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Yeah, because that was uh at the beginning, it was one of our holdbacks, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 25:10

Well, it it was a concern for me. Yeah. I was like, I don't think I'm gonna have enough guests.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

And then I think once it started taking off, it was easier. It got easier and easier to ask people because they could see legitimacy behind what we were doing. Okay, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

So we're gonna put this up on your billboard. Well, which which freeway does it go past? N3. N3, that's uh one of the busiest. That's a national route in the national route.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

You can take it to Durban. Yeah, yeah. And Durban too. Yeah, so it's it's by the Lynxfield turn-off. I just uh found out that we have uh we have that airspace between uh Delulis and the Lynxfield interchange.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Okay. Yeah. I just remembered what I was why I was talking about networks and stuff, and and gratitude to you. A lot of quite a few guests have come on thanks to you, right? Like you've got a big network of people.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

Yeah, I I I guess. Um I don't I don't know that I do, and I'm not trying to be humble about it. I genuinely don't know. Yeah. Like I'll give you an example of the most recent- Can I mention future guests?

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Yeah, because b by the time this comes out, it we those might be published already. Oh, okay. Now I don't directly doubt it. But let's talk about Riyadh.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

I mean, for example. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's the thing. I don't you mentioned let's get Riyadh on the show. And I was like, I wonder if that's possible.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Oh, let's tell that story, yeah? How you got Riyadh Musa on the show. Yeah, that I mean I said you it would be cool if we can get a doctor who became a comedian on. Yeah. And then I think the next day you got him on or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Yeah, it was uh it was the same day. I just asked one of my comedian friends. Yeah, I was like, what do you think of like Riyadh Musa? You think it would be possible to to get him on the show? This was the same day, remember? You asked me that morning. Within 24 hours, I remember. And then it was 11 o'clock, like midday, and then I see Riyadh Musa added um added me as a friend. And then we posted something, and then he reposted the story.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:01

And I mean, that was the like the one of the easiest guy to guys to get, and he was so, you know, he's a really, really busy guy, and he's got his own PA, and I was lazy with the PA, and things didn't work out the first time, but he actually followed through and he said, Oh, like let's set another date. And then he came to the practice, and that was pretty cool. But you know, you don't realize the network you have. It's not your network is not the immediate people, you know, but it's the people who who know other people.

SPEAKER_02 27:29

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:30

And uh again, he said yes, he didn't say no, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

I mean, even with Ryan, I just saw him somewhere randomly and I DM'd him on LinkedIn, and yeah, I thought I even said to you, Yakov sent him a message, but he's probably not even gonna read it. And he responded, and we got it, man. You know, it's it's amazing. Yeah, yeah. And so then future guests, future things, any what do you think of? I mean, I think we can just keep on going. We've got so many people on the list.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

No, of course, we've got so many people on the design. Look, today was a little bit of a failed episode. That's why we Oh speak about that also because it happens to us. And um we had a guest scheduled, and the guest had to bore he couldn't make it. It's uh it's no fault of his as well. But the thing is, we could have gotten if we really, really thought about it, we could have gotten like other other guests. But I think yeah, thanks to you, I think we just decided to have this episode because I think today is a bit of a heavy day as well, like setting up and all of that stuff. And to shoot this gratitude episode now, so that going forward to the like throughout November and December, we've got other guests. Yeah, we've got some lined up, yeah. Yeah, we do that we need to talk about, like Cape Town and and that sort of stuff. But um one guest that I'm excited about is um is uh can I mention names?

SPEAKER_00 28:46

Yeah, I think you can, yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

So when I mean when you're growing up, um you watch your parents used to watch um top billing. Remember that show? Yeah. But are you sure we're getting this person on? Yeah, no, that's a definite thing. Yeah. Um and the they would do like this travel, it was not like a travel vlog, but they'd go into houses and they do a showcase up the house, like the most prestigious thing. You know, top billing is starting again, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:09

No, really. Yeah, I was the same people. I was listening to no, so I was listening to 94.7 or something, and they were interviewing Yanoush, who was with Genie D. Oh, yeah. And he was talking about he was talking about how uh you know, now he's one of the big real estate guys in Cape Town. Yeah. But they were talking about the show. We all grew up watching people go into other people's homes and things. Yeah, go on. Yeah, that's so. I derailed you, yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. So um But they're starting again on SABC3, I think it's this week or next week or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

Yeah. So I mean, long story short, this is not a grand reveal, but Michael Mohl, if anyone remembers him, he was uh he was a doctor and then he became a presenter. But he used to do those grand reveals of like houses and and places. And um he's agreed to come on to the show. How did you how did you s set that up? I I'll be honest, I can't remember. It was a busy time just before career. Yeah. Um but yeah, I asked him and he was like great, and he was like so communicative. So you spoke to him directly? Yeah. Okay. And he was like, Welcome back when I came back. But then I did a sort of a Michael Mole top bulling reveal that you'll I'm gonna um uh what it showcase my travel vlog that's coming up pretty soon. Oh, you're starting a travel vlog, you told me. Yeah, I started I started a travel vlog. We've got we've got content for like five, six episodes. What's it called? Um it doesn't even have a name.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Oh gosh, it doesn't have a that's the thing, right? Yeah. I wanted to say we need to get more organized. Yeah, like we never sit and plan. And I say I've I even said to you, I know I know this guest has postponed, but worse, let's just meet at the same time and let's just brainstorm future episodes. So we can do it live. Yeah. But we need to start getting more organized because how we do it is quite ad hoc, right? We speak to a person, say, okay, we'll set you up tomorrow, next week. But then it it ends up taking away a lot of my family time and your time also. So I think we need to start like sitting down, getting like maybe we might even need to take a pause at the at the end of this and call it a season one. Yeah. And then set up pre-planned like dates where we just record uh maybe two or three on one day, four or five. Because as things stand right now, right? There are three more guests that are already recorded and ready to publish. So that's gonna take us into the the yeah, probably the fourth of Jan, if my calculations are right. And so yeah, if we can just be organized, we might be able to save ourselves time you know away from the rest of the things that we have to do. Yeah. Uh so we must plan there. We need to think of advertising. The other thing is like repurposing old episodes. Because when your episode, even though it's got like I think a thousand views or something, which is a lot for our little channel, I don't think it's got the exposure that it deserves because it it was an episode one. And the channel was so small it didn't have that algorithmic reach that it might have. So might even need to think of getting somebody to like chop up two-hour episodes into like 20, 30 minutes, like Stephen Bartlett and them do, where it's like, you know, on your episode you were just talking about the Everest thing, and we can make a 20-minute thing about climbing Everest, and that gets its own like you know, repurposed. Riyadh Musa was telling us uh uh nowadays on TikTok, because he he he became quite famous back in the day when there was no social media, right? So a lot of his old content is now going viral again. The 15 minutes boss type of thing that you must come home from Durban. Yeah, yeah. Which a lot of nowadays generation that are you know live digital natives, they never knew about it. And um, you know, the same thing happens with music. Where old music from the 70s gets more popular. Yeah. So let's do that, we must do that. Okay? When we're gonna do that. This is a bullying now.

SPEAKER_01 32:52

The other thing is a bullying I was talking about.

SPEAKER_00 32:53

I love how you add, because I've seen you also. You you you can be assertive with your with people that work for you. Yeah, you don't work.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

You can be assertive. No, but I I definitely do agree. I mean, structure is important in all aspects of our lives. But I think when it comes to this, yeah, I mean it is Sunday or it's a Saturday. It's almost it's like, you know, hobby, hobby-esque, if you want to call it. This is my hobby.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

It's my side hustle. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Yeah. But I mean, it does take away from like uh time that you spend with your family or whatever it is that I have to do.

SPEAKER_00 33:26

We've got we've got we've got four people in Cape Town that are waiting, right? Yes, yeah. So we need to start setting that up as well.

SPEAKER_01 33:32

The alternate of for just today was actually for us to have a meeting or for Dwayne to actually come on board. Who's Duane now? Uh Dwayne is you know Duane, but he's uh for the audience. For the audience, yeah. Duane is a cinematographer, he's like my go-to guy for all of that stuff. We run a lot of by him. But this guy knows his stuff. Like I saw it now in Korea that he's he's not just a cinematographer, this guy's a filmmaker. Yeah, and uh shout out to Duane. Like you're gonna listen to this, but wow, I think you've got such a long career ahead of you, and um, I can't, I'm excited to see where it goes. But I wanted him on the show as well. Yeah, and you trouble him like all the time. Yeah, I trouble him all the time. But I wanted him on the show because he's he's he's like a prodigy. This guy knows everything about whatever it is to know about making videos from props to light to sound to whatever it is. He shoots for carte blanche as well. Okay, and he's got his own studio and whatnot. But, anyways, um, yeah, we need to sit down together with Duane because he's got interviews that he wants to do in Cape Town for our Korean trip to interview some doctors. And you want to also interview some guests, and then I also have a patient that I need to see in Cape Town. Is he gonna do it for free?

SPEAKER_00 34:46

I don't have money. I don't have money to spend on all this, yeah. Is Duane gonna like help us for free? Uh yeah, probably.

SPEAKER_01 34:54

No, but the no, no, that's his own thing. He's uh that's from from VARTEC. Okay. And uh he needs to interview two doctors on the last day. The thing about Duane, though, is he's uh he gets distracted easily. Okay. Yeah. So on the last day, instead of getting the interviews done over the doctors in Korea, he takes them shopping to go buy books.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

Well, that's I mean, creatives are like that, aren't they? I don't know. Yeah, he is. But then speaking of future guests, like uh uh we've never asked this. I want to ask like the community to tell us who they'd like to see on the show. Yeah. Um, and that's where I I I really wish that we could tap into your social media, but we'll f we'll find a way. Where, you know, just put out these posts and say, like, okay, guys, if you're watching the show, who would you like to be on? You know, and if anybody watched this far into the video and has gotten here, which is probably like 2% of the viewership, please like comment or send us a message, but actually put it in the comments. Like, why do you think people are on?

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Can I that's a good question, actually? Why do you think people are shy? People will DM me questions or they'll send me something that they've watched, but they they'll be shy to actually go and post it under the video.

SPEAKER_00 36:04

I don't know about it.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

It's not just it's not just for this, it's even on my own uh social media.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Yeah, because people value their privacy. Like the the guy that I was telling you about who I met a couple of nights ago and said that the show really resonates with him and all that stuff. He said to me, he won't he said to me, I'll be honest with you, I don't like, I don't comment anything, but I watch all your episodes and I like them. I really like them. So why? No, I just think people value their privacy. You know, I mean, because you and I are okay to put ourselves out there doesn't mean though I think actually we might be the exception than the norm, let's be honest. Um so yeah, people just value their privacy, man. And we've got to also take care of uh people's privacy. Yeah, but then that makes it difficult, don't you think?

SPEAKER_01 36:43

Yeah, for this life, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, there's I there's I know there's a lot of people that want to ask a lot of stuff about me with the hair and all of this stuff that that comes up, you know, and undertones in in um in an episode, like in the comments and stuff. But then when you're I'm out in public, that's all like it's been spoken about. I'm like, but why don't you just comment on the video then if you want the whole sort of bad.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

But also there's another thing, yeah. Um people forget to comment. Like, this is why even the even the diary of the CEOs and all these huge channels, at the beginning of the episodes, you'll still have Stephen Bartlett sitting there looking at the camera and like subscribe. 50% of you are not not even like. Subscribe, please. Just subscribe. It really helps the channel and build a community. And I want to say that here. Does that work? No, it's it's not, it does work. And also, the to the point, people don't think. You're watching this stuff, right? Even if you like the episode, you go away happy. You don't think, uh, let me pause, let me go and click here and click there and press like and subscribe and share.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

So maybe let's tell people now, like and subscribe. This it's not if you like, if you like it, other people are not gonna see or are they gonna see.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

But this is why I always say to you, and you say no, let them subscribe as they want. It's actually like a it's a thing on the internet. You gotta remind your viewers. So, like it really helps us if you can like and subscribe and share with people who you think might um enjoy the the content also. Um, you know, it's free, it doesn't cost anything, and it um will help us grow this community. Um so yeah, please do that.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

Yeah. Yeah, but I think what we should we should do is have like a sort of a questionnaire thing where we just because Instagram can allow like interactions. So maybe more public engagement, like direct. Yeah. Not just putting episode there and expecting people to But this is the point I'm making.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Like you've got a good following, so it would work on yours. Like I've only got a thousand plus followers. Sometimes there'll be like zero reactions on the thing.

SPEAKER_01 38:38

Yeah, no, but uh some from the page, from the people who intention, who have intention about it.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

Like they But oh, that's also something, and you know this. People don't like pages. Like they don't like a page. Instagram account. Yeah, which Instagram account? Why did I become a doctor? That's the point. Why did I become No, that's the point I'm making. People don't care, like I get much more interaction on my personal page, and so do you. That's why you don't even have a do you have a practice account? Yeah. Okay, but which which account gets more hits and more interactions? You obviously the personal. The person, because people don't an entity is nothing, it's not real.

SPEAKER_01 39:10

It's not if I do post uh on in uh like practice relevant stuff, then yeah, it gets as much even though it's a lesser following, it gets as much interaction. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Well we must try that.

unknown 39:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Alright, cool. Anything else that you wanna brainstorm now? Did we did we cover everything? We need to start planning. You need to start advertising, maybe. We need to travel more. Why do you want to why what do you mean travel more?

SPEAKER_01 39:36

Like I we do it at your practice, it's fine. No, I mean like at like destination, guess I couldn't make it. I was talking about Cape Town.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

Yeah. Yeah. Or we could just you know Do a roadshow. You could get them here, you know? Yeah, like how? Eventually, no, because also people do come. I mean, I had Gunter from Namibia, and we we just he came for a concert and we said, let's kill two birds with one stone, type of thing.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Wait, oh yeah, wait, one question before we like tie up. Do you think in other countries, I kind of already know this answer, but do you think in other countries people are doing the same thing you and I are doing? Are we the only ones doing this in in our field? I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

I haven't I doubt it though, because there's no such thing as a original idea, right? I doubt it. Haven't you registered this as intellectual property? Yeah, we i i in the process, yeah. But I mean look, I I haven't searched for looked for other countries, but there must be. We could this can't be a unique idea. I I just I know that there's nobody in in South Africa that's really doing exactly this. Oh, you made me think. I don't remember what I once I made me remember. The other people that I'm grateful to, and I want to sh call them out here, um two dental university students. Oh yeah, that Lycey I met last week. Oh, did you meet him at um at uh at Dr. Avi's um his voice is so calming. Yes, so that's Dr. Johan Um Taklerk, I think it's I think I've got his surname right. And uh he's not doctor yet, but he will be in a few months. So I'm gonna call him future Dr. Ues umes Adam, I think his surname is. Yeah. Yeah. These two gents are one of the one of the inspirations for this show. Um they have they have a podcast. I was gonna say had because they haven't published since like November last year. But he said he's pausing it. Yes. And they don't seem to they're gonna continue with it. So it's paused, right? But they've got so but the podcast is there, you can still go and listen to it. It's called Cusp of Coffee. And it's just two dental university students sitting together and having a chat. Sometimes the one is in the Cape Town and the other one's in pre-state, wherever he was doing his com serve at the time. But there's talk about being a student and like the trials and tribulations of being a dental student and what they're getting up to. And Johan then was once he qualified, I think he went and did the New York exam, the exams in New York for the American Association, all that stuff. And they were a big inspiration. I thought to myself, you know what, these guys I I would find myself doing my Saturday one-hour walk for Vitality Points and listening to them and really enjoying it. So much so that I even asked them to get me on their show once. And I'm not gonna get into the details of this story, but I got on the show and then somebody complained from the public, and then they had to pull their episode. Because you were being a bully or what? No, it had nothing to do with me. Um it was a great learning experience, also that, by the way, where somebody complained and we had to pull the episode. Um But thank you to Johanna Anues. Great inspirations. Um, we must get them on on this show. Yes. Talk about their journey. I told him we're gonna get them on. Um, even like there was there's a podcast called Behind a Smile with Chantal. She was one of the inspirations. She did a similar thing, but it was more business related. She hasn't posted for a while. Um, but she's had guests that I want to have on and that we have had on, like Casey, for example, and we're gonna get Faisal, Dr. Faisal Mansour on. So thank you to Chantel for showing me that it's possible to have a podcast in South Africa about this type of thing, even though we have very different um niches. Angles and angles. Yeah, and um that's that, and so thank you for reminding me. Shout out to them, like really grateful.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

So the the my initial question was you think that there is this sort of exists elsewhere in the world, and I know that it does. And there's one specific uh dentist that I also want to give appreciation for because I I absolutely love his posts. He talks about wellness in dentistry. Uh Dr. Kyle Stanley, do you follow him? Um I think he's in he's in the States. I just don't know where. I think maybe East Coast. Is he on YouTube or what? Uh on Instagram.

SPEAKER_00 43:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

But I originally um started following this guy because I was asked to do a um wellness presentation for this wellness uh group that I um Um, I joined and they asked me to present. And I found out subsequently that I was actually replacing Dr. Carl Stanley in the in the lineup of speakers. And I didn't even know anything about this guy.

SPEAKER_02 44:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

And then I sent him a message, like I DM'd him. Yes. And um he actually replied to me, and I was like, wow, okay. And then I saw like this guy's got a massive following in the street.

SPEAKER_00 44:21

He's got 65,000 followers on on Instagram. Speaker, dental, tech, founder, advisor, investor. Dentistry's leading advocate for mental health. That guy. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna follow him now. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:31

And um and what I I mean, what I like about what he does is it's so holistic. I mean, he I mean, it's not just we can't just talk and be like be airy fairies and happy clappers and be like, oh yeah, we need to be well at dentistry, it's always a patient's fault and this and that. But he incorporates everything from like finances to practice management to tax to everything in dentistry that you don't hear about. And it's not like we this is a parallel to what he does, yeah, but it's it's great. And I know that it exists in the States. I know there's some other guys that are doing it in the UK. Um, there's one of my friends actually that I studied with that's doing it in India, but now he's left and he's doing it in the UK. He's got uh got a big following.

SPEAKER_00 45:14

But are they are they like also interviewing uh clinicians and talking about their journey?

SPEAKER_01 45:18

They're talking. I've never heard about dentistry, no one talks about dentistry. Okay, and now you're seeing that people are starting to talk about dentistry. But I and as we said, this is not a a dentist show.

SPEAKER_00 45:28

But it gives clinicians an outlet to like just talk, right? Yeah. And also I hope that patients see it and look and see uh the other side, you know, there's a human behind more empathetic. Yeah, and I think if we have empathy both ways, it's just gonna improve healthcare. Yeah. The last thing then, I guess, is um to say thanks to you know the viewers and the listeners, right? Um we do get like some like the Capers episode, so much feedback and lots of positive, lots of negative about me. I love it. Like, bring it on. I you know, it it just helps us improve.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Um Yeah, we have day jobs, so this is like a secondary thing. Yeah, so we are gonna make mistakes, definitely. Sometimes they'll be swearing, sometimes they won't be swearing, but swearing would have been necessary.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:14

Um, but yeah, thanks to the viewers and listeners to to giving, like give us feedback, whether it's documented or not.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Yeah, and and thank you for your time and taking like you could be watching anything and and just flicking past, but um, we really appreciate all of you. And um, yeah, hopefully we just keep on building this community, it grows, and uh who knows, you know, in 10 years' time we're gonna be looking back at this and cringing hard, thinking, can you believe we we said all this?

SPEAKER_01 46:43

We are because if we do now from 10 years ago about things that we used to do.

SPEAKER_00 46:46

We don't know if AI will have taken over the world. They might this podcast might be all AI, it might not even exist. Yeah. There's a guy called um I can't remember, is it Mr. Beast? Mr.

SPEAKER_01 46:57

Beast. Yeah, the number one YouTuber in the world.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Yeah, the number one youtuber in the world. He he he posted a video ten years ago and he scheduled it to be released ten years in advance. You know about this? No. So say and it and it and so that 10 years in advance happened like about a month or two ago. Wow. And and at that stage, he was a pledgling channel and had a few viewers, and he said, uh, and he was getting ready to study for an exam. And he said, I hope I I hope I don't flunt my history because I'm not I'm you know, all that stuff. And now he's the biggest YouTuber in the world, and that video released. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 47:31

That's that's so interesting. Yeah. But let's close on that. Yeah, so no, no, wait, on this, on this. Um how many years ago you think we made a time capsule? Oh yeah. Okay. We made a time capsule. It's a box of random nonsense and shit that was probably Yak is my cousin.

SPEAKER_00 47:47

Uh by the way, uh first cousin, a lot of people see us when they they they know both of us. And they say, So, how so how do you and the other host um know each other? I'm like, no, we are first cousins, like our parents, I mean, our mom's sisters. So when you used to come and stay at my house for holidays, and vice versa. So the one time you came and stayed at our house for holiday, yeah, when we were school kids. Yeah, that's the thing. I can't remember how long it was ago.

SPEAKER_01 48:11

But we dug up this um Yeah, so a time capsule is basically like a box, and then you put in things of value or whatever you want into this box, then you dig a hole and you put it in there and you leave it alone. So we thought we maybe come back like 10 years later. I think it's probably like 20 years now. No, this must be more than 20 years. Yeah, but the landmarks are forgotten. I think it was a chip.

SPEAKER_00 48:31

Somewhere in the backyard. But uh my parents still have their house, so it's we still have a chance to go and dig it up one day. But why why are we gonna close on that? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 48:39

Like because you were talking about like like time and how things change and Mr. Beast and things. So yeah, on that closing note, we'll probably, as we said, thank you to everyone, and uh we'll also see where this is doing in what this is doing in ten years' time.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

And if you made it this far in the video, thank you. And also uh just put a comment, uh comment with a random uh just say the word um Columbia uh in the comments. Columbia just so uh so I know that you've watched it this far. And thank you so much. Cheers everyone, hopefully we grow. All right, ciao, bye. Bye. How is that yet? It was okay. It was a little bit too long. How long was it? Let's see.